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two boys in michigan caught a mastadon while fishing. the two found this bone while hunting for fish in a stream in july. they thought it was a rock but wondered about the role hole in the middle. it was confirm the as a vertebrae of a 13,000 year old mastadon. eric said he may donate it to a museum or sell it on e-bay. >> the community of connecticut continues to cope with the events of yesterday. coming up the new information police have just released this morning and the local vigil set to get started. >> and part of a south bay mall vacant evacuated. . >>> its been 24 hours since the shooting at the connecticut school. the new details we have learned in the past hour. >> we are live in connecticut with how the community is coping after the tragedy. >> mourning the loss in connecticut. the vigil in san francisco right now to remember are the victims. >> complete bay area news coverage continues. this is ktvu mornings on 2. >> good morning. welcome to morning on 2. it's saturday december 15th. >> i'm david stevenson. let's start with a
two boys in michigan caught a mastadon while fishing. the two found this bone while hunting for fish in a stream in july. they thought it was a rock but wondered about the role hole in the middle. it was confirm the as a vertebrae of a 13,000 year old mastadon. eric said he may donate it to a museum or sell it on e-bay. >> the community of connecticut continues to cope with the events of yesterday. coming up the new information police have just released this morning and the local vigil...
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tonight are marc harrold vince colonies and there are indeed alexander bullock let's get back to it michigan is developing a reputation as the most anti-democratic as in small d democratic state in the nation following the passage of right to work for less legislation this week the law was passed undemocratically by surprise like both here it is through pressure from corporate corporate oligarchy as u.a.w. president bob king said in the end that divide us and the extreme right wing control what's going on in this state and the koch brothers americans for prosperity was in there and it was a lot of money pushing for the passage of this legislation threatening the governor and threatening to defer presenting his past as part of a big budget appropriations bill that you're more difficult for voters to repeal and the republican lawmakers in the state legislature passed that also passed a law making it harder to recall elected officials cutting down the numbers of days to collect signatures so i want to start with you. this is your own state sure and mine although i haven't lived there in a while
tonight are marc harrold vince colonies and there are indeed alexander bullock let's get back to it michigan is developing a reputation as the most anti-democratic as in small d democratic state in the nation following the passage of right to work for less legislation this week the law was passed undemocratically by surprise like both here it is through pressure from corporate corporate oligarchy as u.a.w. president bob king said in the end that divide us and the extreme right wing control...
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and just like in michigan they'll eventually face the consequences for this betrayal of working people as well. so i president obama should right now very publicly walk away from any conversation about raising the eligibility age in fact he might be doing that right now senator dick durbin told reporters on thursday that the white house is taking any hikes to the medicare eligibility age off the table but he also said he hadn't heard that directly from the white house we'll see if that's the case so far the president has made raising taxes on the rich the cornerstone of his fiscal cliff proposal which is spot on as a political strategy since that same mcclatchy poll mentioned earlier shows fifty seven percent of americans support a tax hike on those who make more than a quarter million dollars a year all this talk of a so-called balanced deal is just republicans trying to bait the president into becoming the retirees they can there's nothing balanced about making richie riches like mitt romney pay a little bit more in taxes while sticking seniors the poor and the disabled and sick with
and just like in michigan they'll eventually face the consequences for this betrayal of working people as well. so i president obama should right now very publicly walk away from any conversation about raising the eligibility age in fact he might be doing that right now senator dick durbin told reporters on thursday that the white house is taking any hikes to the medicare eligibility age off the table but he also said he hadn't heard that directly from the white house we'll see if that's the...
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as he indicated, from the floor of the michigan house, the michigan democrats owned this because they called for blood, and since the union organized it, i think there's implications here. talking about a culture of organized crime. neil: well, that might be the next step. it's a bit of a leap, but, scott, it's your view right now this has hurt the union movement for awhile? that americans seeing this will look at this and say, well, you want people to have the right to be a part of you. the part of you i see on tv scares me. >> yeah, i think it does hurt the union movement, and that's very unfortunate. you know, my family, allupon members in southeast michigan, and what's unfortunate, once legislation goes into effect, they can still belong to a union, they have the freedom to do that. the unions going down the road hurts themselves and chance to attract members when the members will have that opportunity to choose whether to be in the union or not. neil: scott, greg, thank you, both. greg, keep us posted if you're getting the reward and get the information needed. as i often say on
as he indicated, from the floor of the michigan house, the michigan democrats owned this because they called for blood, and since the union organized it, i think there's implications here. talking about a culture of organized crime. neil: well, that might be the next step. it's a bit of a leap, but, scott, it's your view right now this has hurt the union movement for awhile? that americans seeing this will look at this and say, well, you want people to have the right to be a part of you. the...
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i had members of our organizaon, 87,000 members in michigan were afraid to come tuesday. i assured them it would be safe because if there's any place we have to be able to a public discourse and exchange of ideas and to feel safe, it's at the state capitol and state capitol grounds, and part of the reason we're callg for full investigation is because these intimidation tacics cannot work. they cannot happen, and the heart of the democracy is to be able to engauge in debate, and that's why we need a full investigation. these people need to be brought to justice, and we needed to know what happened so we can prevent this in the future. neil: the unions know who they are. talk about it, you know, i was in wisconsin or the recall election of scott walker, and, you know, no one hit me, happy to say, because, boy, that would have been a doozy of a suit, and they called me a chain of words i never seen combined the way they did, or used as many gestures at me as they did. clearly, not a fan of fox, maybe not a fan of me, or thought i was sean hannity, but the fact of the matter,
i had members of our organizaon, 87,000 members in michigan were afraid to come tuesday. i assured them it would be safe because if there's any place we have to be able to a public discourse and exchange of ideas and to feel safe, it's at the state capitol and state capitol grounds, and part of the reason we're callg for full investigation is because these intimidation tacics cannot work. they cannot happen, and the heart of the democracy is to be able to engauge in debate, and that's why we...
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especially michigan. lou: insurance exchanges states are deciding whether to create insurance for themselves or -- i don't know whether to call them architects are what obamacare -- these insurance exchanges are not happening. eighteen states plus washington dc are the only ones who have declared that he they will set their own exchanges under obamacare. by my math, that leaves 25. we are going to leave it up to the government. that is remarkable. >> i was proud to be part of a 26 a coalition that led the fight against this health care lawsuit to this report. we were able to carve out the ability for states to opt out. i am proud of governor nikki haley for deciding to opt out of this. this huge fiscal cliff is going to create for south carolina as far as obamacare is concerned that. lou: for millions of americans, many of whom have thanks in part to the national liberal media, millions of americans don't even know that they are have about $260 worth of obamacare taxes beginning january 1, on everything f
especially michigan. lou: insurance exchanges states are deciding whether to create insurance for themselves or -- i don't know whether to call them architects are what obamacare -- these insurance exchanges are not happening. eighteen states plus washington dc are the only ones who have declared that he they will set their own exchanges under obamacare. by my math, that leaves 25. we are going to leave it up to the government. that is remarkable. >> i was proud to be part of a 26 a...
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. >> i'm from michigan and i'm used to the dime and you have a party at your house and collect the recyclables. that is how i made it for college. >> there is a value. >> next item, please. >> you are saying if you drink enough, you can afford breakfast? >> [ laughter ] >> in college, we used to have parties and everybody had to leave their bottles worth a dime in michigan. if you have a case of beer, it's $2.40 and we had several and we would go to the grocery store and get $20 for breakfast. >> if you could get up in the morning [ laughter ] >> commissioners item 5 discussion on sunday park meter scheduled to take effect january 6th, 2013. director, did you want me to give the summary? >> yes, please lead us through this. >> commissioners, i will just summarize, a pretty brief, but informative faq in your package and for members of public online is a web link for sunday meter information. as of january 6th, 2013 all sunday parking meters will be enforced on sunday from noon to 6:00 p.m. with four-hour time limits and note that fisherman's wharf and other areas have different times. parking h
. >> i'm from michigan and i'm used to the dime and you have a party at your house and collect the recyclables. that is how i made it for college. >> there is a value. >> next item, please. >> you are saying if you drink enough, you can afford breakfast? >> [ laughter ] >> in college, we used to have parties and everybody had to leave their bottles worth a dime in michigan. if you have a case of beer, it's $2.40 and we had several and we would go to the...
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. >> silence of destruction of private property after the vote to in michigan. what is the media silent? the federal government does not think we have a spending problem because millions more will be spent on a new wind project. what is a difference between a $10 a bottle of wine and 10,000? we found a surprising answer. next. tracy: spending taxpayers money is only a federal problem. check this out. this atlanta mayor, approving the city council to receive -- wait for it -- 50% pay increase starting in 2014. do they not have tv in atlanta? you heard it right. 50%. the council council members voted to raise their own pay earlier this month. these employers employees are also demanding that pays well. they are wanting to raise the income for these city employees. really? fiscal cliff? deficit? that? anyone? what steps can you take to lower your tax burden mr.? we have dominant from diversified financiaa consultants. you talk with them leaders. what do they say? >> they are working diligently to get this compromise. if you look at the economic and tax issues facin
. >> silence of destruction of private property after the vote to in michigan. what is the media silent? the federal government does not think we have a spending problem because millions more will be spent on a new wind project. what is a difference between a $10 a bottle of wine and 10,000? we found a surprising answer. next. tracy: spending taxpayers money is only a federal problem. check this out. this atlanta mayor, approving the city council to receive -- wait for it -- 50% pay...
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the attorney for the michigan and responsible gun owners. let's start with you. you were pretty outspoken saying this is time to bring in new gun control laws. >> yes. if this doesn't wake us up, i don't know what will. i was heartened that the president said we had to take meaningful action and the only thing he can do is lead a crusade for reasonable gun control legislation in congress. these massacres are taking place more and more often. we saw bay the way today a similar incident in china where a mad man attacked an elementary school in china with a knife with 22 injured children. not dead. that's the difference. in the united states we have 9,000 people killed with guns last year in similar countries like germany, 170 and canada 150. there is a reason for that. >> what would you like to see in terms of specific gun control? >> there a number of pieces of legislation we have been pushing. no reasonable gun owner who is a sportsman can object to bans on assault weapons made only to kill as many human beings as possible like in a military situation. no one can
the attorney for the michigan and responsible gun owners. let's start with you. you were pretty outspoken saying this is time to bring in new gun control laws. >> yes. if this doesn't wake us up, i don't know what will. i was heartened that the president said we had to take meaningful action and the only thing he can do is lead a crusade for reasonable gun control legislation in congress. these massacres are taking place more and more often. we saw bay the way today a similar incident in...
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. - big week forrganized labor a stunning defeat in michigan and the right to work a lot that part was look covered but was largely ignored was this. union members desperately a clinging to power violence violence, assault and destruction of private property. will anybody be charged? why are some looking the other way? lou dobbs joins us tonight. this infuriates you? >> at the same time we should get used to the fact that daschle liberal media will make choices that are inexplicable other than their own by as. what we watched it was conservative comedian being punched and he shows that he could take a pretty good punch but cbs, nbc left this part of the story out and so it did abc referred to the violence without specificity. they also left out democratic state representative got a little carried away and started to talk about the undue 100 years of labor progress quote-unquote there will be blood record jimmy hoffa said there will be a civil war. this is the language that would is used time and time again but completely ignored by cbs, abc, and nbc it is truly remarkable. tracy: the p
. - big week forrganized labor a stunning defeat in michigan and the right to work a lot that part was look covered but was largely ignored was this. union members desperately a clinging to power violence violence, assault and destruction of private property. will anybody be charged? why are some looking the other way? lou dobbs joins us tonight. this infuriates you? >> at the same time we should get used to the fact that daschle liberal media will make choices that are inexplicable other...
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. >> the michigan house approved a concealed weapons law allowing train pemz to carry guns in schools, stadiums and churches, an idea he says could have brought down the shooter faster if the law was in place there. >> if someone were to have a gun there, a concealed weapon and knew how to use it the situation could have not gotten as far as it did. >> i do not think that is a solution. that i brofsh bringing more firearms is only going to create more bullets flying. >> the connecticut gunman used a glock and sig semi automatic handgun. live in san francisco, abc 7 news. >> thank you. vigils springing up over the country in washington, d.c. in front of the white house a group called for stronger gun firearms. this became a candle light vigil. more people joined the group z here is a picture of a vigil in san4/+dñ jose. the mother of 6-year-old diaviano cavato showed this noteo, lighting a candle for children. the sign reads san jose loves shes, connecticut. we're getting word of a vigil to be held in oakland tonight. at broadway and 14th street from 6:00 to 8:00 p.m. for victims of g
. >> the michigan house approved a concealed weapons law allowing train pemz to carry guns in schools, stadiums and churches, an idea he says could have brought down the shooter faster if the law was in place there. >> if someone were to have a gun there, a concealed weapon and knew how to use it the situation could have not gotten as far as it did. >> i do not think that is a solution. that i brofsh bringing more firearms is only going to create more bullets flying. >>...
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it's different than bottle bills in other states if you are familiar with the bottle bill in michigan or new york or massachusetts. you can take your bottle back to any store and get your nickel or dime back. this was intended to consolidate those many sites into more larger sites on typically supermarket parking lots. that is really where, as opposed to in the store, it's in the parking lot. that is how the law was set up in san francisco we have about 50 stores that qualify as supermarkets for convenience sake, we, the state, set up a system where only about 30 of those were recycling centers back in 1986. over time, through real estate consolidation, the closing of supermarkets or the reduction of parking lots that we have seen, those 30 that we used to have in 1990 are down to about 20 now. at the same time, the number of containers that we get money back for is much greater. there is now water bottles, juice boxes, a lot of things that didn't used to be in the law that are now in the law. so there is a tremendous amount of volume going through this and amounts to about $17 millio
it's different than bottle bills in other states if you are familiar with the bottle bill in michigan or new york or massachusetts. you can take your bottle back to any store and get your nickel or dime back. this was intended to consolidate those many sites into more larger sites on typically supermarket parking lots. that is really where, as opposed to in the store, it's in the parking lot. that is how the law was set up in san francisco we have about 50 stores that qualify as supermarkets...
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there had been a ban in place that michigan during the clinton administration. but it was allowed to expire and it's not been renewed. anyone that can buy a pistol can buy one of these weapons. that bush master .223, that's the same caliber our military carried in vietnam and since it's used in the m-16 and m-4 automatic rifles. in this case, you would have to keep pulling the trigger, but you can fire as many bullets as quickly as you can pull the trigger with that gun and the two handguns. >> and for the benefit of our viewers, who are not familiar with guns. the term semiautomatic means you keep pulling the trigger, you don't hold it down once, but you don't have to do something to shoot again. >> that's correct. and in the case of a semiautomatic pistol, the bullets are fed in through a magazine and they can range in size from seven or eight rounds to 15 rounds. the two guns you've been showing pictures of would appear to be the 15-round standard sized magazines for those guns. but you can buy extended magazines as was seen in other shootings in the past tha
there had been a ban in place that michigan during the clinton administration. but it was allowed to expire and it's not been renewed. anyone that can buy a pistol can buy one of these weapons. that bush master .223, that's the same caliber our military carried in vietnam and since it's used in the m-16 and m-4 automatic rifles. in this case, you would have to keep pulling the trigger, but you can fire as many bullets as quickly as you can pull the trigger with that gun and the two handguns....
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>>reporter: michigan house just this week approved the concealed weapon law allowing trained people to carry guns in schools day cares stadiums and churches. an idea that he says could have brought down the connecticut shooter faster if the law was in place there. >> somebody were to have a gun there concealed weapon properly trained know how to use it that could have the situation could have not gotten as far as it dichlt i can not think that is a solution. i think bringing more firearms into an already confused situation is only going to create more bullets flying and more innocent bystanders being killed. >>reporter: the connecticut gunman used a glock and semi-automatic handgun both available here in california. if you pass a test background check and wait 10 days. the sacramento, abc 7 news. >> abc 2020 will be devoted to the connecticut school tragedy tonight at 10:00 o'clock over on abc 7 with special report. and we'll bring you early edition of good morning weekend tomorrow at 4 and again at 7:00 a.m. and special tonight at 10:00 o'clock. >> man was struck and killed by a cal t
>>reporter: michigan house just this week approved the concealed weapon law allowing trained people to carry guns in schools day cares stadiums and churches. an idea that he says could have brought down the connecticut shooter faster if the law was in place there. >> somebody were to have a gun there concealed weapon properly trained know how to use it that could have the situation could have not gotten as far as it dichlt i can not think that is a solution. i think bringing more...
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in fact, the michigan legislature passed a bill last night and sent to the governor for signature a bill that would allow those of us who are licensed to take more day of training including range time and be able to carry in the places where we couldn't carry before. >> why on earth would you want more guns in schools after what happened today? >> here's why, piers. if we could suddenly make all guns disappear, i would have a different position. i spend a lot of time thinking about this and reading about this. i teach a class called gun control seminar and i get a new group of law students every term and we discuss this in detail. the simple facts are guns exist. they are essentially 1800s technology. even sell u automatics came into being in the late 1800s. they are easy to make and last several human lifetimes with minimal maintenance. since guns exist and we know for a fact that the only way to stop an evil person like the person you were discussing earlier in the show is to shoot them. >> hang on. this is exactly the argument i have been hearing ever since i joined cnn. i joined on a
in fact, the michigan legislature passed a bill last night and sent to the governor for signature a bill that would allow those of us who are licensed to take more day of training including range time and be able to carry in the places where we couldn't carry before. >> why on earth would you want more guns in schools after what happened today? >> here's why, piers. if we could suddenly make all guns disappear, i would have a different position. i spend a lot of time thinking about...
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teens died at the school shooting in michigan. and five children were gunned down at a amish school in pennsylvania. but here is the most stunning number of them all. there have been 181 major school shootings in the united states since the columbine massacre. 181 shootings where students were either wounded or killed. many of the school shootings involved teenagers. in los angeles last year, a teenager snuck a loaded beretta into class. the gun went off and wounded two other students. but young children are victims too. in houston last year, a 6-year-old took a loaded handgun to school. the gun went off. three kids were wounded. many in this country say enough is enough. i'm joined tonight by congressman keith ellison of minnesota and msnbc political analyst and georgetown university professor michael eric dyson. gentlemen, thank you for your time tonight. i'll have an open question to both of you. professor, we'll go with you first. we talk about change in society. what does it take for us to change what we are seeing unfold bef
teens died at the school shooting in michigan. and five children were gunned down at a amish school in pennsylvania. but here is the most stunning number of them all. there have been 181 major school shootings in the united states since the columbine massacre. 181 shootings where students were either wounded or killed. many of the school shootings involved teenagers. in los angeles last year, a teenager snuck a loaded beretta into class. the gun went off and wounded two other students. but...
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. >>> the newtown shooting happened a day after state lawmakers in michigan passed a bill that will allow gun owners with permits to carry a concealed weapon with previously banned places, including schools. representative clark, thank you for being here. i -- i know this bill passage is coincidental, of course, but can you put it all into perspective for us? >> you know, this is very difficult for me. personally, when i was 9 years old. i grew up in the city of detroit, i saw a man murdered right in front of me, shot in the head and died in front of me. and for the next 26 years of my life, i never spoke about the incident. so while our country supports the families of the victims, i also want us to continue to provide love and support to those who physically survived that incident. >> representative clarke, i'm so sorry you had to experience that. it is clear that is something that has not left you. will never leave you. how often do you think about that? >> i think it's the fact that i chose not to remember it, for more than two decades of my life, that if i had -- if i could have just
. >>> the newtown shooting happened a day after state lawmakers in michigan passed a bill that will allow gun owners with permits to carry a concealed weapon with previously banned places, including schools. representative clark, thank you for being here. i -- i know this bill passage is coincidental, of course, but can you put it all into perspective for us? >> you know, this is very difficult for me. personally, when i was 9 years old. i grew up in the city of detroit, i saw a...
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and i know that's true in ohio and michigan, states like that. we've got another person here, colin. thank you for joining us. this -- you were at virginia tech. you were a survivor down there. and i'm glad you were. here you are. but a lot of people in the gun ownership side, the second amendment people who are zealots, say if a bunch of people have guns they can shoot this guy down when he walked in the door. i can imagine what will be heard in the days ahead. if some of those school officials had been armed they could have stopped him before he got to the kids. you'll be hearing that argument. your thoughts on that. >> you'll be hearing it, but i don't quite understand it. we are the most armed country in the modern world. and we have the most problems with gun violence. if more guns solved our problems, then you know, we'd be the safest country already. that's not it. i mean, the conversation that we're having now, the conversation that the vast majority of americans are having is the reasonable middle ground. is the background checks on all
and i know that's true in ohio and michigan, states like that. we've got another person here, colin. thank you for joining us. this -- you were at virginia tech. you were a survivor down there. and i'm glad you were. here you are. but a lot of people in the gun ownership side, the second amendment people who are zealots, say if a bunch of people have guns they can shoot this guy down when he walked in the door. i can imagine what will be heard in the days ahead. if some of those school...
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only one that i could find was bigger than this was a murder in kindergarten in the 1920s in bath, michigan, where a treasurer of the school board took a bomb and blew up the whole school. >> gregg: right. >> that's the only one which children were pointed at and were killed in this cruel way. most of these other murders are older people. not that -- it's its own problem, like college students in particular, but to take out your vengeance on six-year-olds. >> gregg: innocent six and seven-year-olds. >> i think the key to that may be in the relationship he had with his mother. >> gregg: all right. we may find more, doctor, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> gregg: heather? >> heather: okay. rye now we have some break news on this. a robbie parker apparently, the father of one of the victims in the shooting speaking out. let's listen in. >> that i've been seeing is i have two really good friends at home who have set up a facebook page to help raise money. i have seen the number of people who have commented and expressed condolences. >> can you describe what your daughter looked like for us?
only one that i could find was bigger than this was a murder in kindergarten in the 1920s in bath, michigan, where a treasurer of the school board took a bomb and blew up the whole school. >> gregg: right. >> that's the only one which children were pointed at and were killed in this cruel way. most of these other murders are older people. not that -- it's its own problem, like college students in particular, but to take out your vengeance on six-year-olds. >> gregg: innocent...
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chairman, i like to follow up on the questions and the gentleman from michigan. the conversation has me concerned. i do not know what part of the country you come from. >> i was born in boston, grew up in new york. >> can you imagine what the response would be from the people in boston or new york or washington, dc, if they try to make a phone call and someone in a foreign language or in english notified them that -- the paris cell hone company has confiscated your call and if you want to make this call, you need to call this number and get an account with them. that is the kind of response people along our international borders get can you imagine what my constituents or rather says to me when i am a part of the united states. why is it for a corporation confiscating my calls? i'm very concerned when this issue was brought up, it did not seem to be on your radar. i am also concerned when you say that we have a history of the great cooperation with our neighbors to the north and south. i want to make sure today that you are all aware, this is an issue that you ne
chairman, i like to follow up on the questions and the gentleman from michigan. the conversation has me concerned. i do not know what part of the country you come from. >> i was born in boston, grew up in new york. >> can you imagine what the response would be from the people in boston or new york or washington, dc, if they try to make a phone call and someone in a foreign language or in english notified them that -- the paris cell hone company has confiscated your call and if you...